Fireworks! CNN Hosts Don Lemon and Chris Cuomo Bicker Over the Fredo’s Interview with Rick Santorum

It was popcorn-worthy news theater during the nightly hand-off between CNN hosts Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon on Monday following Cuomo’s interview with former U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., over comments he made regarding Native Americans.

To begin the handoff segment, Lemon was visibly upset and said as much because that’s what he does — he leads with his emotions and not his journalistic sense or even his common sense.

And it just went downhill from there after Cuomo attempted to explain in his own warped, biased, left-wing way the supposed cultural etiology behind what Santorum said during a recent speech to the Young America’s Foundation, which was: “We birthed a nation from nothing. I mean, there was nothing here. I mean, yes we have Native Americans but candidly there isn’t much Native American culture in American culture.”

Wind up, Don, wind up.

 

LEMON: “I cannot — I was furious watching the interview in my office. I cannot believe the first word out of his mouth weren’t ‘I am sorry, I said something ignorant. I need to learn about the history of this country.’ No contrition, didn’t talk about the suffering that Native Americans have had to deal with in this country. It was — I mean, Rick Santorum, really?! Did he actually think it was a good idea for him to come on television and try to whitewash the whitewash that he whitewashed? I mean, it was — it was horrible. It was horrible and insulting and I apologize to the viewers who were insulted by it. Because I was sitting in my office furious because he’s done it so many times. So many times. And it’s just — I’m sorry, it was so egregious and insulting. And everything that we talk about the founding of this country — Europeans did not found this country. It was here, the Native Americans had this country before the Europeans came. Yeah, the Europeans conquered the country, they colonized it, but they didn’t — it had nothing to do with the founding of this country. And he should recognize that. He needs to know that, especially if he’s going to be on television representing us and talking about it. He should be doing it from the right perspective and not from some perspective about how — you know, what Europeans — no! That’s the wrong way to look at it. It’s all wrong. I am sorry, but that is the truth. And — I can’t believe I just — I was watching it going, ‘I can’t believe this man was sitting here and doing this.’ It was like for Black Lives Matter, it was Native American Lives Matter moment for me watching that.”

CUOMO: “Well, ask yourself this, once you deal with the emotion of it. Why are things like that said? And why does he not apologize, but say —“

LEMON: “That’s not for me to answer. That’s for him to answer.”

CUOMO: “But you have to, because otherwise you are not going to have any place to put your pain.”

LEMON: “No, I don’t — listen, I have a place to put my pain. I have this platform and I have to be honest about it. So I got a place to put my pain. I am talking about the people — I’m speaking for the people who don’t have a platform.”

CUOMO: “I know, but you have to do more to just echo the outrage.”

LEMON: “I’m not echoing the outrage. I don’t even know about the outrage.”



CUOMO: “Yes, you do.”

LEMON: “No, I don’t.”

CUOMO: “That’s where you’re wrong.”

LEMON: “No. I don’t know about the outrage. Let me tell you, I don’t know anything about this whole Rick Santorum thing. I don’t know anything about that. I am just sitting, watching that interview, and I heard bits and pieces of it, and when I saw him I said, ‘Was he going to apologize?’ Because he knew initially what he said, but I don’t know anything about the outrage. I know nothing about that.”

CUOMO: “You have to understand — I’m not talking about the outrage against Rick Santorum. Our world is not Twitter. What I’m saying is —“

LEMON: “It’s not about — this isn’t about Twitter. I don’t care about Twitter.”

CUOMO: “Well, that’s where the reaction is, and then the media hypes the reaction. What I’m saying is this. I had him on because I want people to see what this is. There is no mystery for you guys.”

LEMON: “People know what it is, Chris.”

CUOMO: “No, they don’t. No, they don’t. Because if you just dismiss it, Don —“

LEMON: “I’m not dismissing it. That’s the point.”

CUOMO: “ — as, ‘He’s wrong. That’s not the truth…’”

LEMON: “But sometimes people are wrong.”

CUOMO: “But why do people keep saying it then?”

LEMON: “The whole reason — because we allow them to say it.”

CUOMO: “No, no, no. You’re not censor.”

LEMON: “Yes, it is. I am not censoring. You’re saying I’m censoring. I didn’t say censoring.”

CUOMO: “You said we allow them. We don’t get to decide who says what.”

LEMON: “I said I cannot believe he came on and the first word out of his mouth wasn’t contrition.”

CUOMO: “How can you not believe it?”

LEMON: “How can I not believe it?”

CUOMO: “Yeah.”

LEMON: “Because for him to blame — he’s blaming — then he turned it into this thing about the Republican Party and Trump. This has nothing to do with Trump. The only thing it had to do with Trump was that he was one of the people who allowed this party to become the Trump party.”

CUOMO: “That’s right. That’s right.”

“For me — I’ll just say this because I know you got a show to do. Look, this country is in a crisis that is all about identity. And there is a wager being made on the right that they can get enough white people to believe they are targeted, that there has been a perverse cultural shift, and they are being replaced. True? No. But it’s not about facts —“

LEMON: “I think people already know that. I think people know that.”

CUOMO: “If that were true, then that party wouldn’t be as formidable and the Democrats would not be as vulnerable as they are in the upcoming midterms.”

LEMON: “No. People already know that. And the people in the Republican Party know that.”

CUOMO: “70% of them say Biden didn’t win.”

LEMON: “That’s why you have an insurrection, because people believe that America was founded in the image of the white people and that the country was built in their image, and therefore the election should go their way. It is the same thing that Rick Santorum is saying about Native Americans and the lack of contribution, what have you. It’s the same thing. I think people know that. I just think people are tired of being insulted every single day.”

CUOMO: “70% of that party accepts the big lie.”

LEMON: “That doesn’t make it right.”

CUOMO: “Of course it doesn’t make it right. What I am saying is, if it were as simple as 2 plus 2 equals 4, we would not be in this situation.”

LEMON: “Listen, you are not getting anywhere, because seriously, I’m —“

CUOMO: “I know you’re upset. What I’m saying is, what’s the solution? What’s the fix? If it were as simple as ‘He’s wrong, you’re right,’ we would not be here. That’s all.”

LEMON: “We got to go, because we are not going to agree.”

CUOMO: “I agree because I know where you are coming from and I love you, Don Lemon. We agree on the problem. What’s the solution? We got to figure it out.”

LEMON: “I got a big — I got a solution, but anyway, not my decision. Thank you. See you later.”