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Ted Cruz Goes Nuclear on MSNBC's Chuck Todd


During an interview on Sunday morning, Senator Ted Cruz laid into far-left MSNBC host and conspiracy theorist Chuck Todd, saying that Ukraine "blatantly interfered" in the 2016 election.

“Any president, any administration is justified in investigating corruption," Cruz started. "There was serious evidence of real corruption concerning Hunter Biden. [He] was on the board of Burisma, the largest natural gas company in Ukraine. Do you know how much he was paid every month? $83,000 — that’s a million dollars a year.”


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He added, “The media ought to care if there is actual corruption. A million dollars a year, you know how much he makes serving on Exxon Mobil. You get $110,000 a year. Do you think Hunter Biden with zero experience justifies making ten times as much as the board member of Exxon Mobil?”

Host Chuck Todd then asked, “Do you believe Ukraine meddled in the American election in 2016?”

Cruz said, “I do. And I think there is considerable evidence.”

Todd stated, “This sort of strikes me as odd because you went through a primary campaign with this president. He launched a birther-ism campaign against you. He went after your faith, threatened to quote spill the beans about your wife about something. He pushed a National Enquirer story which we now know he had a real relationship—”

Cruz jumped in, “I appreciate you are dragging up all that garbage, that’s very kind of you.”

Todd said, “Is it not possible that this president is capable of creating a false narrative about somebody in order to help him politically?”

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Cruz fired back, “Ha, ha, ha. Except that’s not what happened. The president released the transcript of the phone call. You can read what was said in the phone call.”

He added, “On the evidence, Russia clearly interfered in our election, but here’s the game the media is playing because Russia interfered, the media pretends nobody else did. Ukraine blatantly interfered in our election. The sitting ambassador from Ukraine wrote an op-ed blasting Donald Trump during the election season.”

Cruz continued, “I understand that you want to dismiss Ukrainian interference because they were trying to get Hillary Clinton elected, which is what the cast majority of the media wanted anyway."

WATCH the blow up below:

READ the transcript below:

CHUCK TODD:

Look this is -- Senator, this sort of strikes me as odd. Because you went through a primary campaign with this president. He launched a birtherism campaign against you. He went after your faith. He threatened to, quote, "spill the beans," about your wife about something. He pushed a National Enquirer, story, which we now know he had a real relationship with the editors of the National Enquirer --

SEN. TED CRUZ:

And Chuck, I appreciate you dragging up all that garbage. That's very kind of you, go ahead.

CHUCK TODD:

No, but Senator is it -- let me ask you this. Is it not possible that this president is capable of creating a false narrative about somebody, in order to help him, politically?

SEN. TED CRUZ:

Except that's not what happened. The president released the transcript of the phone call. You can read what was said on the phone call. And let me point out --

CHUCK TODD:

Yeah and the Bidens. And you, yourself, thought the Biden part was troubling.

SEN. TED CRUZ:

Chuck, Chuck, let me point out a game that the media is playing. You know, a question that you've asked a number of people is you've said to senators, sort of aghast, "Do you believe that Ukraine, and not Russia, interfered in the election?" Now, that, that, in a court of law, would be struck as a misleading question. Of course Russia interfered in our election. Nobody looking at the evidence disputes that. What the media is pretending is --

CHUCK TODD:

But the President of the United States does.

SEN. TED CRUZ:

Look, on the evidence, Russia clearly interfered in our election. But here's the game the media is playing. Because Russia interfered, the media pretends nobody else did. Ukraine blatantly interfered in our election. The sitting ambassador from Ukraine wrote an op-ed blasting Donald Trump --

CHUCK TODD:

Do you know why --

SEN. TED CRUZ:

-- during the election season. --

CHUCK TODD:

Do you know why he did that?

SEN. TED CRUZ:

-- That is unusual.

CHUCK TODD:

What did Donald Trump, what did Donald Trump, as a candidate, say about Ukraine and Crimea during the election that might've inspired the ambassador?

SEN. TED CRUZ:

So you're saying they had disagreements with Donald Trump --

CHUCK TODD:

No, I’m just saying --

SEN. TED CRUZ:

-- and they wanted Hillary Clinton to get elected.

CHUCK TODD:

Okay, so they wrote an op-ed --

SEN. TED CRUZ:

I’ll tell you a Ukrainian parliamentarian --

CHUCK TODD:

They wrote an op-ed. That is the difference -- what you're saying is, you’re saying a pickpocket, which essentially is a Hill op-ed, compared to Bernie Madoff and Vladimir Putin. You're trying to make -- you’re trying to equal -- make them both seem equal. I don't understand that.

SEN. TED CRUZ:

Chuck, Chuck, I understand that you want to dismiss Ukrainian interference, because, A) they were trying to get Hillary Clinton elected, which is what the vast majority of the media wanted, anyway. And B) it's inconvenient for the narrative. You know, it's hysterical. Two years ago, there was article after article after article, in the mainstream media, about Ukrainian interference in the elections. But now, the Democrats have no evidence of a crime, no evidence of violating the law. And so suddenly, Ukrainian interference is treated as the media clutches their pearls. "Oh, my goodness. You can't say that." Last week, Chuck, you called Senator John Kennedy, basically, a stooge for Putin.

CHUCK TODD:

I did not. Don’t basically --

SEN. TED CRUZ:

The press needs to stop being ridiculous and --

CHUCK TODD:

Are you concerned --

SEN. TED CRUZ:

-- acting like they work for Adam Schiff.

CHUCK TODD:

Okay, so did you get the briefing, from the intel community, that said, the Russian intelligence services are trying to actively use this Ukraine story to frame Ukraine for the Russian -- for the interference in 2016?

SEN. TED CRUZ:

I have been in multiple briefings. I have been in multiple briefings, year after year after year, about foreign interference in our election. Russia has tried to interfere in our elections. China's tried to interfere in our elections. North Korea's tried to interfere in our elections. Ukraine has tried to interfere in our elections. This is not new. 2016's not the first year they did it. And they're going to keep trying. And so we need to be strong in dealing with it. But the media needs to actually report facts. This is a kangaroo court in the House. They're going to impeach, not because they have the evidence, but because they hate the president, want to do the election. But it's going to go to the Senate. It's going to go nowhere. I think the American people know this is a waste of time. And this is Democrats putting on a circus.

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